17 responses to “Monogatari Series: Second Season Episode 3 Commentary

  1. I haven’t watched any Monogatari series since Bake, but I hated it. You’re spot on in saying that nothing happens. I don’t understand how visual flair (which, in reality, is just really lazy animation) makes something so boring and pandering as Monogatari “art.” This series really IS the definition of pretentious: trying to sound smart with nothing to say.

    • I’m going to be honest (and this is in reference to your Madoka post as well), I rarely care if an anime is pretentious or not. Hell, a bunch of my favorites can be described as pretentious (like Utena). And I did like Shaft at first because whilst the animation was lazy, the visuals were still great and they didn’t have money back then, so I excused it.

      Unfortunately, now that he’s gotten so much money from Madoka and Monogatari, I don’t understand why Shinbo is still using this awfully cheap method of storytelling. I know he’s working on some other stuff at the moment, but the same could be said for Soremachi and it looked much better than what Monogatari has to offer.

      My problem with Monogatari isn’t that it’s trying to sound smart when it has nothing to say. My problem with it is that it threw away a potentially interesting story for harem garbage, and said garbage is not done very interestingly. And that it doesn’t even have the beautiful animation Nise had.

      • That’s fair enough, I was just commenting on the arguments that people try to make for the franchise being art; same for Madoka. And yeah, I don’t care if anime are pretentious either if they’re at least engaging — I love Ergo Proxy, after all. I don’t find Monogatari or Madoka to be particularly entertaining, however.

        I’m not one of those people who insists intellectual excellence from EVERY piece of media I consume, but I at least want something that can hold my attention. And really, you’ve nailed why Monogatari can’t: foregoing potentially interesting narrative ideas for pandering. The fact that it TRIES to be intelligent is just the icing on the cake for me.

        I think Shinbo believes he’s established a sort of style with this, and because a lot of people will just eat anything Monogatari up, it comes down to “if it ain’t broke, don’t fix it.” It’s making Shaft money, and I have a lot of problems with Shinbo as a director, so it seems like a cheap and easy way of pumping Monogatari out while making a return.

    • I think Shinbo believes he’s established a sort of style with this, and because a lot of people will just eat anything Monogatari up, it comes down to “if it ain’t broke, don’t fix it.” It’s making Shaft money, and I have a lot of problems with Shinbo as a director, so it seems like a cheap and easy way of pumping Monogatari out while making a return.

      For all the flak Hideaki Anno gets now, I still really respect that he’s not using his own budget-saving methods anymore and is now spending his money on some real animation. Basically, he’s evolved his style as of now. Other than the fact that Anno is mostly working on movies which usually require higher budgets, Shinbo has no excuse for why he hasn’t stopped using that style for some actual animation. And seriously, what return? Those Madoka movies are still making dough aren’t they? And even though it was shit, Sasami-san had better animation than Monogatari currently does.

      And yeah, I don’t care if anime are pretentious either if they’re at least engaging — I love Ergo Proxy, after all. I don’t find Monogatari or Madoka to be particularly entertaining, however.

      Never saw Ergo Proxy. People have been comparing it to those Garden of Sinners movies, which I have an aversion to, so I never bothered with it.

      • Exactly my point with Shinbo. I’m almost positive this whole “let’s substitute actual movement with frames of kanji” thing could be avoided, but it’s a cheap way to keep getting these series out there. And totally agreed when it comes to Anno. His directorial and animation style is something he grew into; as much as I love the original Eva, I can’t say things got visually interesting till End of Evangelion, and it just improved tenfold with Rebuild. Shinbo definitely has no excuse and for something so touted for its art’s bells and whistles, it’s a shame Monogatari doesn’t get better treatment when it comes to movement.

        I’m midway through The Garden of Sinners and I so far can’t see any similarities with Ergo Proxy. They both have a lot of dark-lit scenes and that’s it. Give it a go, but it’s definitely not everyone’s cup of tea.

    • I liked Bakemonogatari because things did happen. Araragi saved Senjougahara. Helped her kouhai. Helped Mayoi. Helped the imouto character from a snake curse. Helped the class rep. Well, that’s quite a lot.

      However, this franchise turned to shit ever since Nisemonogatari. It’s still fresh in my mind how I dropped that series out of anger. It has excessive incest fan service, and the villain simply left like a good boy. These series have become a very definition of ‘nothing happens’

      • That’s fair. I was speaking in an exaggerated sense and disliked the pacing to the point where my interest waned. Things happened, but I didn’t care.

        Totally agree with your stance on the later seasons, though. My major case against this series is its use of fan service and pandering in an attempt to A. make it seem like something is happening and B. pander while being faux-high-brow.

    • Please don’t tell me you tried to find some deep meaning behind the dialogue, because not only is there no meaning but the show never promised any nor tries to be clever or deep. The whole series is based around character interactions, and most of them are not to advance the story either.

      • You listed Ranma as one of your favourite animes, and that had 161, a lot more than this series, and the plot went nowhere. So if you like a series with no plot , technically you should like this.

      • The only good character in that was Ryoga, everyone else was awful, Akane would be violent towards Ranma at every opportunity, Genma was a self centred arsehole, Shampoo and a lot of the other “love interests” think forced marriage is normal. At least the Monogatari series has likeable characters who aren’t selfish pricks who only care about themselves.

        The dialogue in Monogatari is like the ones you get in a Tarrontino, only not as good. If dialogue heavy shows aren’t your thing what was the point of this video.

      • Let’s just agree to disagree regarding whether the Monogatari characters are likable.

        Also, this video was just the result of a failed project in regards to doing audio commentaries on individual episodes of the Monogatari series. No more, no less.

  2. This series ended up like a bad visual, it certainly doesn’t have much better animation. It was just a bunch of fast cuts and jingling keys to distract viewers from the low quality “animation” and banal dialogue. I can watch more down to Earth personal anime, more focused on characters and emotion that action and adventure, but it’s easy to tell the difference between thought provoking, interesting dialogue, and meaningless drivel.

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